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		<title>By: Balazs Balint</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2006/10/spamming-social-media/#comment-98747</link>
		<dc:creator>Balazs Balint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I absolutely agree with You, Lee. I consider spamming every action, that gives no real value to users. On the other hand more than a thousand visitors per our can worth nothing if they can not experience real value. I believe in user value. That is my &quot;hobby&quot;: to find the value in every activity. Thoose campagns are succesful which give real value to users. But to inform users about a content is valuable? To be honest it is really hard to separate &quot;light-spamming&quot; from valuable promotion. 
I think the key is exact targeting. That makes a communication campaign valuable for the company- and with professional content it is valuable for the users. Just like this blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely agree with You, Lee. I consider spamming every action, that gives no real value to users. On the other hand more than a thousand visitors per our can worth nothing if they can not experience real value. I believe in user value. That is my &#8220;hobby&#8221;: to find the value in every activity. Thoose campagns are succesful which give real value to users. But to inform users about a content is valuable? To be honest it is really hard to separate &#8220;light-spamming&#8221; from valuable promotion.<br />
I think the key is exact targeting. That makes a communication campaign valuable for the company- and with professional content it is valuable for the users. Just like this blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Lowdown on Spamming Social Media &#187; Online Marketing Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2006/10/spamming-social-media/#comment-53670</link>
		<dc:creator>Lowdown on Spamming Social Media &#187; Online Marketing Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2006 18:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Spamming social media sites has been a hot topic ever since they first came onto the scene. &#8220;Gaming&#8221; Digg, Youtube and other social sites has and continues to attract overly aggressive marketers trying to exploit loopholes even though cheaters are easily spotted. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Spamming social media sites has been a hot topic ever since they first came onto the scene. &#8220;Gaming&#8221; Digg, Youtube and other social sites has and continues to attract overly aggressive marketers trying to exploit loopholes even though cheaters are easily spotted. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pre Thanksgiving Search Links &#187; Online Marketing Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2006/10/spamming-social-media/#comment-43302</link>
		<dc:creator>Pre Thanksgiving Search Links &#187; Online Marketing Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 00:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Nial Kennedy posts a very well written and thorough description of the spam problems with social news sites like digg. I&#8217;ve posted before about whether social media optimization was spam or not and have taken the position that the communities of these social news and bookmarking sites are strong enough to self-police. But now I&#8217;m not so sure. Hat tip to Brian Prince. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Nial Kennedy posts a very well written and thorough description of the spam problems with social news sites like digg. I&#8217;ve posted before about whether social media optimization was spam or not and have taken the position that the communities of these social news and bookmarking sites are strong enough to self-police. But now I&#8217;m not so sure. Hat tip to Brian Prince. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Social Bookmarks - Bad for Blogs? at Content Quake</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2006/10/spamming-social-media/#comment-36404</link>
		<dc:creator>Social Bookmarks - Bad for Blogs? at Content Quake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Lee over at Top Rank was talking about this very thing before the conversation was started as well in his post titled, Spamming Social Media. Any experienced search or social media marketer knows there are ways to initially </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Lee over at Top Rank was talking about this very thing before the conversation was started as well in his post titled, Spamming Social Media. Any experienced search or social media marketer knows there are ways to initially</p>
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		<title>By: Starked SF, Unforgiving News from the Bay &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Talk of the Town: Friday</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2006/10/spamming-social-media/#comment-35007</link>
		<dc:creator>Starked SF, Unforgiving News from the Bay &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Talk of the Town: Friday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Online Marketing Blog: Spamming Social Media. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Lee Odden</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2006/10/spamming-social-media/#comment-34977</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Odden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Self promotion is noise only if there is no &quot;real&quot; substance to the information. At the same time, most social communities to not trust self reported stories, so companies (like mine) should do a better job at avoiding that temptation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Self promotion is noise only if there is no &#8220;real&#8221; substance to the information. At the same time, most social communities to not trust self reported stories, so companies (like mine) should do a better job at avoiding that temptation.</p>
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		<title>By: Sante</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2006/10/spamming-social-media/#comment-34933</link>
		<dc:creator>Sante</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 08:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very interesting discussion that will go on and on. Funny coincidence, I posted my considerations on social spam yesterday on my blog. I&#039;m sure people are frowning upon press releases and shameless self promotion via social bookmarking or networks. It&#039;s just noise, not information or service. 

Thank you for the great post,

Sante</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very interesting discussion that will go on and on. Funny coincidence, I posted my considerations on social spam yesterday on my blog. I&#8217;m sure people are frowning upon press releases and shameless self promotion via social bookmarking or networks. It&#8217;s just noise, not information or service. </p>
<p>Thank you for the great post,</p>
<p>Sante</p>
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		<title>By: SEM Basics</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2006/10/spamming-social-media/#comment-34866</link>
		<dc:creator>SEM Basics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 01:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Lee,

I agree that excellent content is the key, I&#039;m just wondering if a social network is the key-chain (so to speak).  I have not taken the time to research this, but through casual observation I notice that many popular sites seem to do very well on digg and other social media sites.  Of course, these sites are usually popular because they put out good content, but they also have other things going for them, such as a loyal user base and quality industry contacts.  It&#039;s kind of like the adage (sp?) that it takes money to make money.  Perhpas it takes popularity to make popularity.  What I am wondering is how often do small sites which are relatively unknown get dugg.  I imagine if their content is tops then it happens, but what about when it is only very good, or really solid.  I imagine in those cases the social network provides a nice advantage.

While we are on the topic, I think that niche social media sites can compensate for this problem.  For instance, recently I had an article which did relatively well on SearchMob, but not so well on digg itself.  I think one of the reasons is that SearchMob is a popular site in general, but doesn&#039;t get a ton of submissions (thus allowing for some decent exposure for my article).  Digg, on the other hand, is much larger and it is harder for my target audience to even see my article at all, let alone evaluate it.  

My guess is that the nature of the larger social media sites gives a boost to the more established sites which have extra tools at their disposal, whereas niche sites can help bring exposure to start-ups and the like who don&#039;t have those tools.  At least it&#039;s a theory...

Be well,

Moshe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Lee,</p>
<p>I agree that excellent content is the key, I&#8217;m just wondering if a social network is the key-chain (so to speak).  I have not taken the time to research this, but through casual observation I notice that many popular sites seem to do very well on digg and other social media sites.  Of course, these sites are usually popular because they put out good content, but they also have other things going for them, such as a loyal user base and quality industry contacts.  It&#8217;s kind of like the adage (sp?) that it takes money to make money.  Perhpas it takes popularity to make popularity.  What I am wondering is how often do small sites which are relatively unknown get dugg.  I imagine if their content is tops then it happens, but what about when it is only very good, or really solid.  I imagine in those cases the social network provides a nice advantage.</p>
<p>While we are on the topic, I think that niche social media sites can compensate for this problem.  For instance, recently I had an article which did relatively well on SearchMob, but not so well on digg itself.  I think one of the reasons is that SearchMob is a popular site in general, but doesn&#8217;t get a ton of submissions (thus allowing for some decent exposure for my article).  Digg, on the other hand, is much larger and it is harder for my target audience to even see my article at all, let alone evaluate it.  </p>
<p>My guess is that the nature of the larger social media sites gives a boost to the more established sites which have extra tools at their disposal, whereas niche sites can help bring exposure to start-ups and the like who don&#8217;t have those tools.  At least it&#8217;s a theory&#8230;</p>
<p>Be well,</p>
<p>Moshe</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Odden</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2006/10/spamming-social-media/#comment-34859</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Odden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 00:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moshe, you make a very good point. I think part of the reason Digg encourages sharing of stories is to expand their user base. If you notify friends who are not Digg users, they are then presented with the option of registering so they can &quot;vote&quot; on the story you&#039;ve shared with them. Very clever.

To get a story &quot;Dugg&quot; you must also pay attention to a well written post title and description. Short, sweet and compelling are important characteristics.

Another thing you can do is to add a Digg badge to your website or blog post. Once someone &quot;Diggs&quot; the page once, it will show the count and a link to allow anyone else (who is registered with Digg) to vote for the article.

There is no one solution to getting traction out of social news and bookmarking sites. But make not mistake, excellent content is #1 whether you have a network or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moshe, you make a very good point. I think part of the reason Digg encourages sharing of stories is to expand their user base. If you notify friends who are not Digg users, they are then presented with the option of registering so they can &#8220;vote&#8221; on the story you&#8217;ve shared with them. Very clever.</p>
<p>To get a story &#8220;Dugg&#8221; you must also pay attention to a well written post title and description. Short, sweet and compelling are important characteristics.</p>
<p>Another thing you can do is to add a Digg badge to your website or blog post. Once someone &#8220;Diggs&#8221; the page once, it will show the count and a link to allow anyone else (who is registered with Digg) to vote for the article.</p>
<p>There is no one solution to getting traction out of social news and bookmarking sites. But make not mistake, excellent content is #1 whether you have a network or not.</p>
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		<title>By: SEM Basics</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2006/10/spamming-social-media/#comment-34838</link>
		<dc:creator>SEM Basics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In your article you wrote:

&quot;I took the initiative to then use the form Digg provides on it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In your article you wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;I took the initiative to then use the form Digg provides on it</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Odden</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2006/10/spamming-social-media/#comment-34817</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Odden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it that people who are fantastic at link building offer the best compliments? :)  You are too kind Eric.

&quot;..to stop learning is to stop living.&quot;  
Talk about hitting the nail on the head!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it that people who are fantastic at link building offer the best compliments? <img src='http://www.toprankblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   You are too kind Eric.</p>
<p>&#8220;..to stop learning is to stop living.&#8221;<br />
Talk about hitting the nail on the head!</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Odden</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2006/10/spamming-social-media/#comment-34816</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Odden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erwin, I do agree. A different platform, but many of the same dynamics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erwin, I do agree. A different platform, but many of the same dynamics.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Ward</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2006/10/spamming-social-media/#comment-34806</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lee - I not only read your blog, it&#039;s on my MyYahoo feed page.  of must-reads.  You are a brilliant strategist and I learn something from you each and every week.  LinkMoses knows that to stop learning is to stop living.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee &#8211; I not only read your blog, it&#8217;s on my MyYahoo feed page.  of must-reads.  You are a brilliant strategist and I learn something from you each and every week.  LinkMoses knows that to stop learning is to stop living.  <img src='http://www.toprankblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Erwin</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2006/10/spamming-social-media/#comment-34803</link>
		<dc:creator>Erwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...However, I still think that the social media communities will do a good job at self policing. ...]

This is my experience as well, albeit confined to one community: MySpace.

As I detail in my How-To Guide on using MySpace for promotion, some of my inappropriate group forum postings were removed fairly quickly </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...However, I still think that the social media communities will do a good job at self policing. ...]</p>
<p>This is my experience as well, albeit confined to one community: MySpace.</p>
<p>As I detail in my How-To Guide on using MySpace for promotion, some of my inappropriate group forum postings were removed fairly quickly</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Odden</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2006/10/spamming-social-media/#comment-34800</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Odden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If nothing else, this was a good test to see if you read this blog Eric :) 

As long as there is the myth of the quick fix or shortcut, yes I do agree that new services will attract no-good doers with visions of over manipulation returning free and easy benefits. 

However, I still think that the social media communities will do a good job at self policing. Otherwise, their communities will die.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If nothing else, this was a good test to see if you read this blog Eric <img src='http://www.toprankblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>As long as there is the myth of the quick fix or shortcut, yes I do agree that new services will attract no-good doers with visions of over manipulation returning free and easy benefits. </p>
<p>However, I still think that the social media communities will do a good job at self policing. Otherwise, their communities will die.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Ward</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2006/10/spamming-social-media/#comment-34799</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About social spam you said

   [...but it will be noise hanging at the bottom]

Remember the tale &quot;Villiage Wine&quot;, where nobody 
thought their little bit of wine would be missed
from the town festival?  Social spam is a similar 
thing in reverse.  My few social self-diggs etc.
wont affect things, so why not..?

My position on this topic may be misunderstood.
I have no problem with making it easier via chicklets
to encourage socializing.  But what I see is a lack
of discretion as to what should and shouldn&#039;t be 
socialized to any given social venue.  If someone socializes
a press release about a new dry cleaners web site in Duluth, it&#039;s sort of silly, and nobody gets hurt (or dugg :), but if this is a fictitious example (today) of noise at the bottom, to me it&#039;s the pollution of the commons, noticed or not.

I&#039;ve been guilty in the past of silly socializing, and I do understand that one man&#039;s spam is another man&#039;s headline news
(Hey, I&#039;ve been looking for a dry cleaners in Duluth!!!)

My position today is social spam is not going to kill the social golden goose, but the goose does bring out the worst of the spammers, and for me that&#039;s like people who toss &quot;only one&quot; cigarette butt out their car window and think it doesn&#039;t make a difference..:)

Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About social spam you said</p>
<p>   [...but it will be noise hanging at the bottom]</p>
<p>Remember the tale &#8220;Villiage Wine&#8221;, where nobody<br />
thought their little bit of wine would be missed<br />
from the town festival?  Social spam is a similar<br />
thing in reverse.  My few social self-diggs etc.<br />
wont affect things, so why not..?</p>
<p>My position on this topic may be misunderstood.<br />
I have no problem with making it easier via chicklets<br />
to encourage socializing.  But what I see is a lack<br />
of discretion as to what should and shouldn&#8217;t be<br />
socialized to any given social venue.  If someone socializes<br />
a press release about a new dry cleaners web site in Duluth, it&#8217;s sort of silly, and nobody gets hurt (or dugg <img src='http://www.toprankblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> , but if this is a fictitious example (today) of noise at the bottom, to me it&#8217;s the pollution of the commons, noticed or not.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been guilty in the past of silly socializing, and I do understand that one man&#8217;s spam is another man&#8217;s headline news<br />
(Hey, I&#8217;ve been looking for a dry cleaners in Duluth!!!)</p>
<p>My position today is social spam is not going to kill the social golden goose, but the goose does bring out the worst of the spammers, and for me that&#8217;s like people who toss &#8220;only one&#8221; cigarette butt out their car window and think it doesn&#8217;t make a difference..:)</p>
<p>Eric</p>
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