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		<title>By: SEO Clueless Web Developers: Evil or Cash Cow? &#187; Online Marketing Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/01/the-lowdown-on-web-designers-and-seo/#comment-115757</link>
		<dc:creator>SEO Clueless Web Developers: Evil or Cash Cow? &#187; Online Marketing Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] You don&#8217;t need to search far to find commentary in the SEO industry about the conflicts between SEO and web design. On the one hand, it seems completely avoidable and an unnecessary expense to the client if web developers and creators of content management systems and ecommerce platforms would just consider search engines properly as an audience. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] You don&#8217;t need to search far to find commentary in the SEO industry about the conflicts between SEO and web design. On the one hand, it seems completely avoidable and an unnecessary expense to the client if web developers and creators of content management systems and ecommerce platforms would just consider search engines properly as an audience. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Seymour</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/01/the-lowdown-on-web-designers-and-seo/#comment-91084</link>
		<dc:creator>David Seymour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 15:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it will be a long time before web design agencies take on the grunt work of SEO or indeed internet marketing. 

I run a team of 40 dedicated, trained, native English speaking article writers whom offer marketeers and webmasters a low cost article writing and linking service. Web design companies are just not going to do that. It isn&#039;t much fun.

The articles produced are not simply run of the mill, hacks, written only to gain as many links as possible, regardless of content or quality. Rather, these are thoughtfully researched and carefully written, interesting articles, with provocative titles, all written by talented professionals. So much so that many of our clients use them for content in their own web sites.

I think this service is essential for any internet marketeer, webmaster or person responsible for the competitive ranking of their company&#039;s website on Google, Yahoo or MSN. Have a look at the http://www.seymour-james.com/linkpopularity/ for details. It really is worth spending a few minutes getting to grips with what the competition is most likely doing. 

Hope this helps....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it will be a long time before web design agencies take on the grunt work of SEO or indeed internet marketing. </p>
<p>I run a team of 40 dedicated, trained, native English speaking article writers whom offer marketeers and webmasters a low cost article writing and linking service. Web design companies are just not going to do that. It isn&#8217;t much fun.</p>
<p>The articles produced are not simply run of the mill, hacks, written only to gain as many links as possible, regardless of content or quality. Rather, these are thoughtfully researched and carefully written, interesting articles, with provocative titles, all written by talented professionals. So much so that many of our clients use them for content in their own web sites.</p>
<p>I think this service is essential for any internet marketeer, webmaster or person responsible for the competitive ranking of their company&#8217;s website on Google, Yahoo or MSN. Have a look at the <a href="http://www.seymour-james.com/linkpopularity/" rel="nofollow">http://www.seymour-james.com/linkpopularity/</a> for details. It really is worth spending a few minutes getting to grips with what the competition is most likely doing. </p>
<p>Hope this helps&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: January &#8216;07: Best Search/Marketing Posts &#187; Small Business SEM</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/01/the-lowdown-on-web-designers-and-seo/#comment-71897</link>
		<dc:creator>January &#8216;07: Best Search/Marketing Posts &#187; Small Business SEM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 08:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Lee/Online Marketing Blog: The Lowdown on Web Designers and SEO [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Lee/Online Marketing Blog: The Lowdown on Web Designers and SEO [...]</p>
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		<title>By: China Internet Market Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/01/the-lowdown-on-web-designers-and-seo/#comment-69995</link>
		<dc:creator>China Internet Market Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 02:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t agree more on the subject. When we create new web sites, I always have a marketing person do designing and site structure. Web Developer does the rest..

p.s. love the &quot;sum&quot; question</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t agree more on the subject. When we create new web sites, I always have a marketing person do designing and site structure. Web Developer does the rest..</p>
<p>p.s. love the &#8220;sum&#8221; question</p>
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		<title>By: Does your web designer &#8220;do&#8221; SEO? &#124; Mike The Internet Guy&#8217;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/01/the-lowdown-on-web-designers-and-seo/#comment-69437</link>
		<dc:creator>Does your web designer &#8220;do&#8221; SEO? &#124; Mike The Internet Guy&#8217;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 05:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/01/the-lowdown-on-web-designers-and-seo/#comment-69437</guid>
		<description>[...] Lee Odden has an brought an interesting issue to light in one of his latest blog posts. The issue at hand is client/web designer/SEO relations and responsibilities. I wanted to expand on Lee&#8217;s topic for a moment and discuss a few of my recent relationships with clients and their web designers. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Lee Odden has an brought an interesting issue to light in one of his latest blog posts. The issue at hand is client/web designer/SEO relations and responsibilities. I wanted to expand on Lee&#8217;s topic for a moment and discuss a few of my recent relationships with clients and their web designers. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: CallToAction</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/01/the-lowdown-on-web-designers-and-seo/#comment-67918</link>
		<dc:creator>CallToAction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The timing of this post is incredibly ironic for me.  I just got off a call with a (now former) prospective client, who explained to me that she needs a design firm (the kind that will only do fancy flash design) to fix her company&#039;s site before she can even think about SEO.  Her parting question...&quot;When they are done, could you come out and do the SEO?&quot;.  I&#039;ll take the blame...no matter how much I explained that the keyword analysis needs to be done upfront, that it is an integral part of the site and hence the business approach, that it links directly to the target audience, that it even helps shape &amp; tout the products&#039; benefits and the site&#039;s call to action...well...I obviously did not explain it well enough. So, in the end, she will spend a lot of money and get a pretty site that probably generates the same amount of revenue / profit that it does today. Days like today can be daunting!  I&#039;m off to have a glass of wine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The timing of this post is incredibly ironic for me.  I just got off a call with a (now former) prospective client, who explained to me that she needs a design firm (the kind that will only do fancy flash design) to fix her company&#8217;s site before she can even think about SEO.  Her parting question&#8230;&#8221;When they are done, could you come out and do the SEO?&#8221;.  I&#8217;ll take the blame&#8230;no matter how much I explained that the keyword analysis needs to be done upfront, that it is an integral part of the site and hence the business approach, that it links directly to the target audience, that it even helps shape &amp; tout the products&#8217; benefits and the site&#8217;s call to action&#8230;well&#8230;I obviously did not explain it well enough. So, in the end, she will spend a lot of money and get a pretty site that probably generates the same amount of revenue / profit that it does today. Days like today can be daunting!  I&#8217;m off to have a glass of wine.</p>
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		<title>By: Rock and Roll SEO - Make your site Rock! &#187; Web Designers and SEO</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/01/the-lowdown-on-web-designers-and-seo/#comment-67553</link>
		<dc:creator>Rock and Roll SEO - Make your site Rock! &#187; Web Designers and SEO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/01/the-lowdown-on-web-designers-and-seo/#comment-67553</guid>
		<description>[...] I was just reading a post on toprankblog.com by Lee Odden, titled &#8220;The Lowdown on Web Designers and SEO&#8221;. The article poses the question, why don&#8217;t we just have our designers do our SEO for us. Lee&#8217;s response to this can be summarized in this one paragraph he wrote: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I was just reading a post on toprankblog.com by Lee Odden, titled &#8220;The Lowdown on Web Designers and SEO&#8221;. The article poses the question, why don&#8217;t we just have our designers do our SEO for us. Lee&#8217;s response to this can be summarized in this one paragraph he wrote: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/01/the-lowdown-on-web-designers-and-seo/#comment-67074</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 00:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Patrick, I have a feeling there&#039;s more available to you than you know. I&#039;ll email you offline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Patrick, I have a feeling there&#8217;s more available to you than you know. I&#8217;ll email you offline.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Schaber</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/01/the-lowdown-on-web-designers-and-seo/#comment-67067</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Schaber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 00:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lee - this is a maddening topic for small business. Your company is in a nice spot - trust me.

If I did a search today for companies who I could meet with about being hired to do SEO work, I&#039;d find a ton willing to come in and tell me what they can do. When you meet with them you realize you&#039;re talking to a design firm who is trying to get into the SEO space. On the other hand, well-establishe SEO companies who have a solid name and have more customers than they know what to do with can charge a premium.

Unfortunately, unless the small company marketer is well-read on the topic, many will buy into one of the design firms who won&#039;t get the job done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee &#8211; this is a maddening topic for small business. Your company is in a nice spot &#8211; trust me.</p>
<p>If I did a search today for companies who I could meet with about being hired to do SEO work, I&#8217;d find a ton willing to come in and tell me what they can do. When you meet with them you realize you&#8217;re talking to a design firm who is trying to get into the SEO space. On the other hand, well-establishe SEO companies who have a solid name and have more customers than they know what to do with can charge a premium.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, unless the small company marketer is well-read on the topic, many will buy into one of the design firms who won&#8217;t get the job done.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Odden</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/01/the-lowdown-on-web-designers-and-seo/#comment-67016</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Odden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Peter, I agree it&#039;s a synergy that works best. That&#039;s why we have both creative/technical design as well as creative /technical SEO people on staff.

Drew, you make a good point. The people I see coming out of school now are more savvy, but the needs of SEO are often far outside the boundaries of what is reasonable to expect from a web designer no matter how good they are at code SEO. It&#039;s good that more people on the interactive side are gaining more SEO knowledge though. It helps A LOT when we don&#039;t have to battle with the web team on the on-site and code related SEO recommendations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Peter, I agree it&#8217;s a synergy that works best. That&#8217;s why we have both creative/technical design as well as creative /technical SEO people on staff.</p>
<p>Drew, you make a good point. The people I see coming out of school now are more savvy, but the needs of SEO are often far outside the boundaries of what is reasonable to expect from a web designer no matter how good they are at code SEO. It&#8217;s good that more people on the interactive side are gaining more SEO knowledge though. It helps A LOT when we don&#8217;t have to battle with the web team on the on-site and code related SEO recommendations.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew Stauffer</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/01/the-lowdown-on-web-designers-and-seo/#comment-66917</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew Stauffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/01/the-lowdown-on-web-designers-and-seo/#comment-66917</guid>
		<description>Hmmm...Not sure about this one...

I think it&#039;s a toss up between new school and old school. When I received my BA in Fine Arts and Media in &#039;01, they were still teaching us layouts with tables. Since then through my 9-5 job I have been fortunate enough to work for a company that is a leader in Internet Marketing for the medical, dental, and legal fields. As anyone knows, for ex: optimizing sites for &quot;Dallas LASIK&quot; is not an easy task. Since I came in as a designer, I have learned everything from tabless layouts to every benefit of semantic markup for SEO. During this time, I have also had the benefit of having an entire company teach me about marketing and SEO.

I still keep in touch with all of my old professors and the kids that are coming out of school now know almost as much as I do about code for SEO benefits. Now all you have to do is teach them how to implement effective marketing and SEO.

While I do agree with you about the extremely large shoes an SEO marketing person has to fill with all the analytics and data crunching that goes along with a quality SEO campaign, at least the new school designers are more in tune with that sort of information. You won&#039;t have to fight with them to get rid of the large image just to put in a few H tags and decent amount of content. They seem to understand the big picture. Now whether or not they have the time to wear all those shoes is a different story.

You bring up some good points though Lee. I</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;Not sure about this one&#8230;</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s a toss up between new school and old school. When I received my BA in Fine Arts and Media in &#8216;01, they were still teaching us layouts with tables. Since then through my 9-5 job I have been fortunate enough to work for a company that is a leader in Internet Marketing for the medical, dental, and legal fields. As anyone knows, for ex: optimizing sites for &#8220;Dallas LASIK&#8221; is not an easy task. Since I came in as a designer, I have learned everything from tabless layouts to every benefit of semantic markup for SEO. During this time, I have also had the benefit of having an entire company teach me about marketing and SEO.</p>
<p>I still keep in touch with all of my old professors and the kids that are coming out of school now know almost as much as I do about code for SEO benefits. Now all you have to do is teach them how to implement effective marketing and SEO.</p>
<p>While I do agree with you about the extremely large shoes an SEO marketing person has to fill with all the analytics and data crunching that goes along with a quality SEO campaign, at least the new school designers are more in tune with that sort of information. You won&#8217;t have to fight with them to get rid of the large image just to put in a few H tags and decent amount of content. They seem to understand the big picture. Now whether or not they have the time to wear all those shoes is a different story.</p>
<p>You bring up some good points though Lee. I</p>
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		<title>By: SoloSEO Blog &#187; Can Web Designers do SEO?</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/01/the-lowdown-on-web-designers-and-seo/#comment-66841</link>
		<dc:creator>SoloSEO Blog &#187; Can Web Designers do SEO?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] An excellent post by Lee Odden over at the Online Marketing Blog brings up an interesting issue about whether or not asking your web designer to do SEO is a good idea or not. More and more we see web design companies offering SEO services, so the big question would be to ask, &#8220;who actually does the SEO?&#8221;. My guess is most of these smaller web design companies will have a designer or two that knows something about SEO, and will have a few items that they do to incorporate it into their design, like from Lee&#8217;s post:  Many times, web designer SEO involves being given a list of keywords by the site owner or someone in marketing and asked to put them in title tags, meta tags, alt text, link text and possibly modifying code so that urls are crawler friendly. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] An excellent post by Lee Odden over at the Online Marketing Blog brings up an interesting issue about whether or not asking your web designer to do SEO is a good idea or not. More and more we see web design companies offering SEO services, so the big question would be to ask, &#8220;who actually does the SEO?&#8221;. My guess is most of these smaller web design companies will have a designer or two that knows something about SEO, and will have a few items that they do to incorporate it into their design, like from Lee&#8217;s post:  Many times, web designer SEO involves being given a list of keywords by the site owner or someone in marketing and asked to put them in title tags, meta tags, alt text, link text and possibly modifying code so that urls are crawler friendly. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Davis</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/01/the-lowdown-on-web-designers-and-seo/#comment-66819</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we&#039;re definately going to see some movement in this.  Web design firms expanding into SEO, or even acquiring SEO firms.  New firms launched that incorporate both.  Bigger companies are going to start including SEO in their marketing department, more.  

I don&#039;t think the question is really &quot;Can a web designer do SEO&quot; it&#039;s more of a question of putting the right people together to excell at both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we&#8217;re definately going to see some movement in this.  Web design firms expanding into SEO, or even acquiring SEO firms.  New firms launched that incorporate both.  Bigger companies are going to start including SEO in their marketing department, more.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the question is really &#8220;Can a web designer do SEO&#8221; it&#8217;s more of a question of putting the right people together to excell at both.</p>
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