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		<title>By: Friday Favorites 4/20/07 - Stuntdubl - Search Engine Marketing Consultant</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/04/crowdsourcing-this-way-cometh/#comment-113651</link>
		<dc:creator>Friday Favorites 4/20/07 - Stuntdubl - Search Engine Marketing Consultant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Crowdsourcing this way cometh from Lee Odden buy your diggatron [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Blog News Watch &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Wednesday Roundup - April 11, 2007</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/04/crowdsourcing-this-way-cometh/#comment-108895</link>
		<dc:creator>Blog News Watch &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Wednesday Roundup - April 11, 2007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Lee Odden writes about the dark side - crowd sourcing - Online Marketing Blog [...]</description>
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		<title>By: SEOsnafu</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/04/crowdsourcing-this-way-cometh/#comment-106216</link>
		<dc:creator>SEOsnafu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Despite the fact that Digg is the online home to wayward boys and adolescents, it can still be a great lead generator. But I&#039;ve often thought that bandwidth might be part of the G equation as I have tried SMO for some sites in low to medium competitve verticals and have been able to rank for just getting a few votes. I&#039;ve assumed that one digg reader in 10 or more take the time to vote (regardless of where I place the damn button) so it seems traffic, and its source &#039;might&#039; be a consideration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite the fact that Digg is the online home to wayward boys and adolescents, it can still be a great lead generator. But I&#8217;ve often thought that bandwidth might be part of the G equation as I have tried SMO for some sites in low to medium competitve verticals and have been able to rank for just getting a few votes. I&#8217;ve assumed that one digg reader in 10 or more take the time to vote (regardless of where I place the damn button) so it seems traffic, and its source &#8216;might&#8217; be a consideration.</p>
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		<title>By: Linkerati the Pawns of Social Media</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/04/crowdsourcing-this-way-cometh/#comment-106002</link>
		<dc:creator>Linkerati the Pawns of Social Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 08:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Last week on Lee Odden&#8217;s blog he made a post about Crowdsourcing and Subvert and Profit. However what I&#8217;d really like to talk about is comment made by Simon of Bon Prix since it&#8217;s something I hear/read quite often: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Last week on Lee Odden&#8217;s blog he made a post about Crowdsourcing and Subvert and Profit. However what I&#8217;d really like to talk about is comment made by Simon of Bon Prix since it&#8217;s something I hear/read quite often: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: simon</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/04/crowdsourcing-this-way-cometh/#comment-105333</link>
		<dc:creator>simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 07:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Social networking sites have their place, not everyone wants the entertainment 18-24 year old segment anyways, the richer pickings are the older demographic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Social networking sites have their place, not everyone wants the entertainment 18-24 year old segment anyways, the richer pickings are the older demographic.</p>
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		<title>By: Gray</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/04/crowdsourcing-this-way-cometh/#comment-105295</link>
		<dc:creator>Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 05:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder what will happen. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what will happen. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.</p>
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		<title>By: 10,000 Marshmallows Daily Links 2007-04-04 - 10,000 Marshmallows - Marketing Accountability: How to eat 10,000 Marshmallows</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/04/crowdsourcing-this-way-cometh/#comment-105071</link>
		<dc:creator>10,000 Marshmallows Daily Links 2007-04-04 - 10,000 Marshmallows - Marketing Accountability: How to eat 10,000 Marshmallows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 14:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Online Marketing Blog: Crowdsourcing This Way Cometh  &#8220;My question is, do social media communities bring this kind of thing on themselves? Is this sort of thing the inherent flaw in giving editorial discretion to the “profile hierarchy” of a social community?&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Online Marketing Blog: Crowdsourcing This Way Cometh  &#8220;My question is, do social media communities bring this kind of thing on themselves? Is this sort of thing the inherent flaw in giving editorial discretion to the “profile hierarchy” of a social community?&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Odden</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/04/crowdsourcing-this-way-cometh/#comment-104801</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Odden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 20:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a good point Michael. When things like S&amp;P rears it&#039;s ugly head you can be sure it&#039;s only the tip of the iceberg in terms of what&#039;s really going on.

Heavier editorial involvement seems to be the way to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a good point Michael. When things like S&#038;P rears it&#8217;s ugly head you can be sure it&#8217;s only the tip of the iceberg in terms of what&#8217;s really going on.</p>
<p>Heavier editorial involvement seems to be the way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: If You Game Digg You Will Get Banned, Unless&#8230;.. &#124; Marketing Pilgrim</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/04/crowdsourcing-this-way-cometh/#comment-104792</link>
		<dc:creator>If You Game Digg You Will Get Banned, Unless&#8230;.. &#124; Marketing Pilgrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] There&#8217;s a little buzz surrounding the newest pay for Diggs service called Subvert and Profit with both the Online Marketing Blog and Tech Crunch have covering it. It&#8217;s not the first website created specifically to game Digg and it won&#8217;t be the last. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] There&#8217;s a little buzz surrounding the newest pay for Diggs service called Subvert and Profit with both the Online Marketing Blog and Tech Crunch have covering it. It&#8217;s not the first website created specifically to game Digg and it won&#8217;t be the last. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: graywolf</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/04/crowdsourcing-this-way-cometh/#comment-104790</link>
		<dc:creator>graywolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nature abhors a vacuum, and a website without moderators, editors, or anyone other than a disorganized unruly mob in charge is operating in vacuum. If Digg wants to remain the &quot;lost boys club&quot; filled with people who &quot;won&#039;t grow up&quot;, they can expect to get taken advantage of in ways just like this. For every public &quot;digg gang&quot; I can assure you there are at least 100 more flying under the radar. For all it shortcomings netscape is a far less &quot;game-able&quot; social media site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nature abhors a vacuum, and a website without moderators, editors, or anyone other than a disorganized unruly mob in charge is operating in vacuum. If Digg wants to remain the &#8220;lost boys club&#8221; filled with people who &#8220;won&#8217;t grow up&#8221;, they can expect to get taken advantage of in ways just like this. For every public &#8220;digg gang&#8221; I can assure you there are at least 100 more flying under the radar. For all it shortcomings netscape is a far less &#8220;game-able&#8221; social media site.</p>
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		<title>By: mblair</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/04/crowdsourcing-this-way-cometh/#comment-104786</link>
		<dc:creator>mblair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 18:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a natural reaction in the social marketplace and to be expected. Ultimately, a more intricate trust model to help unify personas across multiple social systems is required. Quite a challenge.

Still, you are always going to have people doing this kind of activity in the marketplace. People act out of motivations and financial motivations are some of the most frequent.

I&#039;m not going to stand on the street corner and yell &quot;I love Starbucks!&quot;. If I did, people would make a quick assumption that I am either paid to do it or crazy and discount whatever else I may say when they talk to me. I expect the same kind of responses to evolve in online systems where it becomes easier to &quot;tune out&quot; the editorial votes of a particular shill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a natural reaction in the social marketplace and to be expected. Ultimately, a more intricate trust model to help unify personas across multiple social systems is required. Quite a challenge.</p>
<p>Still, you are always going to have people doing this kind of activity in the marketplace. People act out of motivations and financial motivations are some of the most frequent.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to stand on the street corner and yell &#8220;I love Starbucks!&#8221;. If I did, people would make a quick assumption that I am either paid to do it or crazy and discount whatever else I may say when they talk to me. I expect the same kind of responses to evolve in online systems where it becomes easier to &#8220;tune out&#8221; the editorial votes of a particular shill.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Odden</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/04/crowdsourcing-this-way-cometh/#comment-104770</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Odden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it would be a good move for SE&#039;s to consider such activities when considering the value of links from social media sites. The same thing happened with press release distribution services.

Brian, I agree with you. I do think editorial will come &#039;round again in some kind of hybrid of social and editorial format.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it would be a good move for SE&#8217;s to consider such activities when considering the value of links from social media sites. The same thing happened with press release distribution services.</p>
<p>Brian, I agree with you. I do think editorial will come &#8217;round again in some kind of hybrid of social and editorial format.</p>
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		<title>By: Beginners Guide to SEO</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/04/crowdsourcing-this-way-cometh/#comment-104766</link>
		<dc:creator>Beginners Guide to SEO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is probably going to take SE&#039;s to tweak their algorithm, to devaluate social media links in different ways, once they find out how are they being manipulated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is probably going to take SE&#8217;s to tweak their algorithm, to devaluate social media links in different ways, once they find out how are they being manipulated.</p>
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		<title>By: Untwisted Vortex - Living in a Different Land &#187; Blog Drive-Bys for 2007-04-04</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/04/crowdsourcing-this-way-cometh/#comment-104761</link>
		<dc:creator>Untwisted Vortex - Living in a Different Land &#187; Blog Drive-Bys for 2007-04-04</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Lee at the Online Marketing Blog announced a &#8220;subversive&#8221; new blog that plans to game Digg as the first social news site in their strategies. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Lee at the Online Marketing Blog announced a &#8220;subversive&#8221; new blog that plans to game Digg as the first social news site in their strategies. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Clark</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/04/crowdsourcing-this-way-cometh/#comment-104746</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 16:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;Is this sort of thing the inherent flaw in giving editorial discretion to the “profile hierarchy” of a social community?

Yes. I expect editorial to come back in a huge way. The Boing Boing or Lifehacker model is way more valuable and trustworthy when compared to Digg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;Is this sort of thing the inherent flaw in giving editorial discretion to the “profile hierarchy” of a social community?</p>
<p>Yes. I expect editorial to come back in a huge way. The Boing Boing or Lifehacker model is way more valuable and trustworthy when compared to Digg.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony D. Clark</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/04/crowdsourcing-this-way-cometh/#comment-104739</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony D. Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 16:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Years ago when I was getting my first freelance business off the ground, I worked part time at a bookstore in the mall. 

One of the hip clothing stores would pay teens to wear their expensive jackets and boots while they hung out and walked the mall. Some of the insiders knew this was happening, but most of the regular shoppers didn&#039;t. They&#039;d prance around acting cool and talking about how great each other looked.

It seemed to work. Lots of unpopular kids spent a fortune on clothes in that place trying to buy social status.

Crowdsourcing social media, circa 1990 :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Years ago when I was getting my first freelance business off the ground, I worked part time at a bookstore in the mall. </p>
<p>One of the hip clothing stores would pay teens to wear their expensive jackets and boots while they hung out and walked the mall. Some of the insiders knew this was happening, but most of the regular shoppers didn&#8217;t. They&#8217;d prance around acting cool and talking about how great each other looked.</p>
<p>It seemed to work. Lots of unpopular kids spent a fortune on clothes in that place trying to buy social status.</p>
<p>Crowdsourcing social media, circa 1990 <img src='http://www.toprankblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Livingston</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/04/crowdsourcing-this-way-cometh/#comment-104725</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff Livingston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dark side indeed.  That&#039;s quite twisted! Unfortunatley, I am not a big fan of Digg either, but still its integrity should be maintained, and I am sure folks like Kevin Rose are not happy with this.

One has to wonder where the line is... Is it really worth it to corrupt these organizations?  In my mind, if I can&#039;t win fairly, then so be it.  Cheating is not cool. Unfortunately, &quot;paid for&quot; marketing ethos would tell you differently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dark side indeed.  That&#8217;s quite twisted! Unfortunatley, I am not a big fan of Digg either, but still its integrity should be maintained, and I am sure folks like Kevin Rose are not happy with this.</p>
<p>One has to wonder where the line is&#8230; Is it really worth it to corrupt these organizations?  In my mind, if I can&#8217;t win fairly, then so be it.  Cheating is not cool. Unfortunately, &#8220;paid for&#8221; marketing ethos would tell you differently.</p>
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		<title>By: DanielthePoet</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/04/crowdsourcing-this-way-cometh/#comment-104707</link>
		<dc:creator>DanielthePoet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 14:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I have no great love for Digg, I understand the desire to keep the path to greatness as pure as possible. Do social media communities bring this upon themselves? I don&#039;t think so. It is sadly inevitable that every new technology will be abused. No one in their right mind looks at cloning and actually believes that someone won&#039;t try to clone a human being. It&#039;s obvious. 

It is unfortunate, though, since Digg could be very useful even if used by diggers to make a profit. This kind of &quot;black social marketing&quot; approach could work well if it weren&#039;t for those who will inevitably spam Digg and choke it with massive amounts of refuse. The only way a social site could avoid this is to police its people and its content to such a degree that true freedom of expression would be lost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I have no great love for Digg, I understand the desire to keep the path to greatness as pure as possible. Do social media communities bring this upon themselves? I don&#8217;t think so. It is sadly inevitable that every new technology will be abused. No one in their right mind looks at cloning and actually believes that someone won&#8217;t try to clone a human being. It&#8217;s obvious. </p>
<p>It is unfortunate, though, since Digg could be very useful even if used by diggers to make a profit. This kind of &#8220;black social marketing&#8221; approach could work well if it weren&#8217;t for those who will inevitably spam Digg and choke it with massive amounts of refuse. The only way a social site could avoid this is to police its people and its content to such a degree that true freedom of expression would be lost.</p>
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