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		<title>By: DesignerzNext</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/04/what-makes-an-ideal-seo-client/#comment-536604</link>
		<dc:creator>DesignerzNext</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 07:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks!</description>
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		<title>By: DesignerzNext</title>
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		<dc:creator>DesignerzNext</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 07:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice One... Thanks!</description>
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		<title>By: SEO Positive</title>
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		<dc:creator>SEO Positive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>when I speak to a prospect client I sometimes find that they are fishing around for the cheapest quote rather than the best SEO work that they can get for their money. For example a client told me the other day that for the keyphrase &quot;mortgage broker&quot; they were quoted by a certain SEO company </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when I speak to a prospect client I sometimes find that they are fishing around for the cheapest quote rather than the best SEO work that they can get for their money. For example a client told me the other day that for the keyphrase &#8220;mortgage broker&#8221; they were quoted by a certain SEO company</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;SEO Permits&#8221; - An SEO&#8217;s Presence Throughout A Design Project can Prevent Expensive Tear-Outs &#124; Scott Clark - Finding the Sweet Spot</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/04/what-makes-an-ideal-seo-client/#comment-351755</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8220;SEO Permits&#8221; - An SEO&#8217;s Presence Throughout A Design Project can Prevent Expensive Tear-Outs &#124; Scott Clark - Finding the Sweet Spot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to build it is too high (paid search.) I&#8217;d like to make the plea to the business community to consider thinking about SEO [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to build it is too high (paid search.) I&#8217;d like to make the plea to the business community to consider thinking about SEO [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Friday Favorites 5/4/07 - Stuntdubl - Search Engine Marketing Consultant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Friday Favorites 5/4/07 - Stuntdubl - Search Engine Marketing Consultant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 17:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] What makes an ideal SEO client [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Yuri</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/04/what-makes-an-ideal-seo-client/#comment-119628</link>
		<dc:creator>Yuri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 03:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Eric, but there&#039;s a limit on how much educating you can do. If the client bulks at your reasoning, it may be more effective to go to the next one, then to waste time on the one, who isn&#039;t ready to accept how the things roll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Eric, but there&#8217;s a limit on how much educating you can do. If the client bulks at your reasoning, it may be more effective to go to the next one, then to waste time on the one, who isn&#8217;t ready to accept how the things roll.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric John</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/04/what-makes-an-ideal-seo-client/#comment-119446</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 17:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my point of view I think clients who do annoys us just needed a certain degree of clarifications and explanations on what to do with their websites. Because if they are the ones who comes to you for a search engine marketing services I&#039;m pretty   sure that they considered you capable of handling their websites. You need to explain their concerns as well as yours in optimizing the site and at the end settle things out satisfied. After all we, optimizers, needs clients as well..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my point of view I think clients who do annoys us just needed a certain degree of clarifications and explanations on what to do with their websites. Because if they are the ones who comes to you for a search engine marketing services I&#8217;m pretty   sure that they considered you capable of handling their websites. You need to explain their concerns as well as yours in optimizing the site and at the end settle things out satisfied. After all we, optimizers, needs clients as well..</p>
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		<title>By: Asmat Zehra</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/04/what-makes-an-ideal-seo-client/#comment-119270</link>
		<dc:creator>Asmat Zehra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 09:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As We all know internet marketing is one of the most growing business on the web. Search engine optimization is the most powerful and proven method to bring quality traffic to website. However the negative part of SEO is that, it takes a long before showing any results. SEO needs patience, time and attention and for this committed and skilled manpower is a must.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As We all know internet marketing is one of the most growing business on the web. Search engine optimization is the most powerful and proven method to bring quality traffic to website. However the negative part of SEO is that, it takes a long before showing any results. SEO needs patience, time and attention and for this committed and skilled manpower is a must.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Odden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee Odden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Anthony, shaking hands image has finally been fixed. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Anthony, shaking hands image has finally been fixed. <img src='http://www.toprankblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a different topic.  What is the &quot;shaking-hands.jpg&quot; tag under your pic supposed to be :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a different topic.  What is the &#8220;shaking-hands.jpg&#8221; tag under your pic supposed to be <img src='http://www.toprankblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Randy Duermyer</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/04/what-makes-an-ideal-seo-client/#comment-118399</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Duermyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post, Lee and an interesting topic.

Bill Marshall&#039;s comment:

“We know exactly what keywords we want, there’s no need to research them”

Reminds me of a client I&#039;m dealing with right now. I&#039;d done some non-SEM work for them in the past and I was glad they came to me now that they are revamping their existing site and building two others simultaneously. 

First they asked what needed to be done for SEO on their sites, starting with their corporate site. I gave them a list of tasks required for the initial phase - including keyword research and competitive ranknig analysis. They feel they are market movers in their industry, so the response I got was that keyword research probably isn&#039;t necessary - let&#039;s just use the terms they think they want to be identified with - mostly proprietary names and terms they&#039;ve coined that no one&#039;s ever heard of yet. After that, I got &quot;We&#039;ve done a lot of market research and feel we know our competition well enough that we don&#039;t need competitive analysis&quot;. My argument that competitive analysis for my purposes wasn&#039;t the same as the research they did fell on deaf ears.

They wanted a proposal for the intiial phase of the SEO work on the corporate site. I gave it to them at the lowest price I felt I could afford to charge based on our past relationship. Then they come back and say they now want to optimize all 3 sites at once, so it will be a few weeks until they&#039;re &quot;ready&quot;.

I&#039;m now beginning to think I should run - despite our past business  relationship - as this is beginning to look like the project from hell that will be micro managed from day 1 - if it ever gets off the ground at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, Lee and an interesting topic.</p>
<p>Bill Marshall&#8217;s comment:</p>
<p>“We know exactly what keywords we want, there’s no need to research them”</p>
<p>Reminds me of a client I&#8217;m dealing with right now. I&#8217;d done some non-SEM work for them in the past and I was glad they came to me now that they are revamping their existing site and building two others simultaneously. </p>
<p>First they asked what needed to be done for SEO on their sites, starting with their corporate site. I gave them a list of tasks required for the initial phase &#8211; including keyword research and competitive ranknig analysis. They feel they are market movers in their industry, so the response I got was that keyword research probably isn&#8217;t necessary &#8211; let&#8217;s just use the terms they think they want to be identified with &#8211; mostly proprietary names and terms they&#8217;ve coined that no one&#8217;s ever heard of yet. After that, I got &#8220;We&#8217;ve done a lot of market research and feel we know our competition well enough that we don&#8217;t need competitive analysis&#8221;. My argument that competitive analysis for my purposes wasn&#8217;t the same as the research they did fell on deaf ears.</p>
<p>They wanted a proposal for the intiial phase of the SEO work on the corporate site. I gave it to them at the lowest price I felt I could afford to charge based on our past relationship. Then they come back and say they now want to optimize all 3 sites at once, so it will be a few weeks until they&#8217;re &#8220;ready&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m now beginning to think I should run &#8211; despite our past business  relationship &#8211; as this is beginning to look like the project from hell that will be micro managed from day 1 &#8211; if it ever gets off the ground at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Odden</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/04/what-makes-an-ideal-seo-client/#comment-118377</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Odden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Yuri, that image thing is being looked at, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Yuri, that image thing is being looked at, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Odden</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/04/what-makes-an-ideal-seo-client/#comment-118244</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Odden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 07:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a business decision really. Spend time with people that want to debate SEO or with those that value and respect your expertise. 

It would be different (and was when we were starting out) if there weren&#039;t a lot of inquiries for our services, but that is not the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a business decision really. Spend time with people that want to debate SEO or with those that value and respect your expertise. </p>
<p>It would be different (and was when we were starting out) if there weren&#8217;t a lot of inquiries for our services, but that is not the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia Skinner</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/04/what-makes-an-ideal-seo-client/#comment-118180</link>
		<dc:creator>Patricia Skinner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 04:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I also feel it&#039;s so much more rewarding to work with clients who are &#039;already sold&#039; on SEO, I also see my role as a  sort of evangelist of SEO. Sometimes it pays off big-time if you take the time to explain to a client. I have ended up with some very lucrative contracts that way, and in the bargain, the client feels endebted to me for taking the time to persuade them. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I also feel it&#8217;s so much more rewarding to work with clients who are &#8216;already sold&#8217; on SEO, I also see my role as a  sort of evangelist of SEO. Sometimes it pays off big-time if you take the time to explain to a client. I have ended up with some very lucrative contracts that way, and in the bargain, the client feels endebted to me for taking the time to persuade them. <img src='http://www.toprankblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Yuri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yuri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 02:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, pretty much the same as you have shown in the post:
- attempting to control what you do
- telling you what to do
- having unrealistic expectations (both in terms of effort and time it takes for a project and results)

Of course, there are other things that clients in all industries share, such as just being annoying and such.

Cre8asite has a thread about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cre8asiteforums.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=21571&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;hiring and firing the right clients&lt;/a&gt;. And also there&#039;s this article on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.christopherhawkins.com/06-13-2005.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;11 clients you need to fire&lt;/a&gt;.

P.S. The shaking-hands.jpg img in this post doesn&#039;t load for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, pretty much the same as you have shown in the post:<br />
- attempting to control what you do<br />
- telling you what to do<br />
- having unrealistic expectations (both in terms of effort and time it takes for a project and results)</p>
<p>Of course, there are other things that clients in all industries share, such as just being annoying and such.</p>
<p>Cre8asite has a thread about <a href="http://www.cre8asiteforums.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=21571" rel="nofollow">hiring and firing the right clients</a>. And also there&#8217;s this article on <a href="http://www.christopherhawkins.com/06-13-2005.htm" rel="nofollow">11 clients you need to fire</a>.</p>
<p>P.S. The shaking-hands.jpg img in this post doesn&#8217;t load for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Marshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed - avoiding bad clients is as important as getting good ones.
It&#039;s got to the stage of instinct now with some of them, and some just come across with a very aggressive/demanding/wideboy manner but various pointers include:
&quot;We&#039;re really aware of SEO and we&#039;ve already done this this and this so you won&#039;t need to do that at all&quot;

&quot;We need top 5 results in three months time or it&#039;s all off&quot;
(Usually with a brand new site)

&quot;We know exactly what keywords we want, there&#039;s no need to research them&quot;

Suggestions that we&#039;re much more expensive than the guy who promised him top ranking in Google within 2 months.

&quot;We need to know exactly how much it&#039;ll cost and a get quotation to us by tomorrow morning&quot; (I usually put the phone down on that one)

&quot;We have a new site on finance...&quot; (sound of phone being thrown through window)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed &#8211; avoiding bad clients is as important as getting good ones.<br />
It&#8217;s got to the stage of instinct now with some of them, and some just come across with a very aggressive/demanding/wideboy manner but various pointers include:<br />
&#8220;We&#8217;re really aware of SEO and we&#8217;ve already done this this and this so you won&#8217;t need to do that at all&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;We need top 5 results in three months time or it&#8217;s all off&#8221;<br />
(Usually with a brand new site)</p>
<p>&#8220;We know exactly what keywords we want, there&#8217;s no need to research them&#8221;</p>
<p>Suggestions that we&#8217;re much more expensive than the guy who promised him top ranking in Google within 2 months.</p>
<p>&#8220;We need to know exactly how much it&#8217;ll cost and a get quotation to us by tomorrow morning&#8221; (I usually put the phone down on that one)</p>
<p>&#8220;We have a new site on finance&#8230;&#8221; (sound of phone being thrown through window)</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Odden</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/04/what-makes-an-ideal-seo-client/#comment-117820</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Odden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oli, we are on the same page. Perhaps I&#039;m spoiled, but with so many companies aware of our services, we really need to gravitate towards those organizations that are 1) Already sold on SEO as a marketing channel 2) Smart and easy to work with

David, those are great points - worthy of a poll I think :) I will be sure to check out your post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oli, we are on the same page. Perhaps I&#8217;m spoiled, but with so many companies aware of our services, we really need to gravitate towards those organizations that are 1) Already sold on SEO as a marketing channel 2) Smart and easy to work with</p>
<p>David, those are great points &#8211; worthy of a poll I think <img src='http://www.toprankblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I will be sure to check out your post!</p>
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		<title>By: David Wallace</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/04/what-makes-an-ideal-seo-client/#comment-117803</link>
		<dc:creator>David Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting. I just authored a post a couple of days ago on a very similar subject - &quot;How To Detect Problematic Customers Before They Become Paying Customers.&quot;

I look for the following scenarios:

They want a free education
They waste your most precious commodity - time
They have a business plan doomed for failure
They want a special deal or discount
Their goals are unrealistic</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. I just authored a post a couple of days ago on a very similar subject &#8211; &#8220;How To Detect Problematic Customers Before They Become Paying Customers.&#8221;</p>
<p>I look for the following scenarios:</p>
<p>They want a free education<br />
They waste your most precious commodity &#8211; time<br />
They have a business plan doomed for failure<br />
They want a special deal or discount<br />
Their goals are unrealistic</p>
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		<title>By: Oli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my short time I have experienced so many amazingly different levels of client understanding when it comes to SEO.

All of which have led me to believe there is no &quot;typical SEO client&quot; only good, average and very bad ones.

Possibly the funniest question I have been asked was &quot;if I buy AAPlumberUK.com as a domain name, will I go ahead of the competition, like in the Yellow Pages&quot; - this guy was being serious and completely misunderstood SEO (this being said I cant fix water leaks!) Ultimately this guy was trying to understand the process - I prefer this.

I work with several understanding SEO clients with an excellent grasp of my task and give plenty of support to my ideas - I think this is key.

All in all I find a highly inquisitive potential client ultimately more rewarding than one who is totally uninterested in the concept but know they need to do it.

In a nutshell my perfect SEO client:

Interested in SEO, understands the long term power of search, Has too much time to do SEO themselves but will help with ideas when necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my short time I have experienced so many amazingly different levels of client understanding when it comes to SEO.</p>
<p>All of which have led me to believe there is no &#8220;typical SEO client&#8221; only good, average and very bad ones.</p>
<p>Possibly the funniest question I have been asked was &#8220;if I buy AAPlumberUK.com as a domain name, will I go ahead of the competition, like in the Yellow Pages&#8221; &#8211; this guy was being serious and completely misunderstood SEO (this being said I cant fix water leaks!) Ultimately this guy was trying to understand the process &#8211; I prefer this.</p>
<p>I work with several understanding SEO clients with an excellent grasp of my task and give plenty of support to my ideas &#8211; I think this is key.</p>
<p>All in all I find a highly inquisitive potential client ultimately more rewarding than one who is totally uninterested in the concept but know they need to do it.</p>
<p>In a nutshell my perfect SEO client:</p>
<p>Interested in SEO, understands the long term power of search, Has too much time to do SEO themselves but will help with ideas when necessary.</p>
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