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		<title>By: Tina</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2008/04/seo-outsourcing/#comment-404469</link>
		<dc:creator>Tina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 04:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for adding such a useful information. Keep up the good work!

Are we going to discuess this thread further?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for adding such a useful information. Keep up the good work!</p>
<p>Are we going to discuess this thread further?</p>
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		<title>By: Alec Bobdon</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2008/04/seo-outsourcing/#comment-398275</link>
		<dc:creator>Alec Bobdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 06:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Reginald. If you have any suggestions for language software then please let me know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Reginald. If you have any suggestions for language software then please let me know.</p>
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		<title>By: Reginald</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2008/04/seo-outsourcing/#comment-391950</link>
		<dc:creator>Reginald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alec, try doing some research online regard language software.  I think programmers have already cleared this huddle for you.  You just have to know where to look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alec, try doing some research online regard language software.  I think programmers have already cleared this huddle for you.  You just have to know where to look.</p>
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		<title>By: Gideon Flores</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2008/04/seo-outsourcing/#comment-391867</link>
		<dc:creator>Gideon Flores</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post 


         It really challenges those SEO firms out there that are many add ons in the services.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post </p>
<p>         It really challenges those SEO firms out there that are many add ons in the services.</p>
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		<title>By: David Temple</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2008/04/seo-outsourcing/#comment-391536</link>
		<dc:creator>David Temple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 11:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now there&#039;s a company that inspires you to outsource you seo needs. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now there&#8217;s a company that inspires you to outsource you seo needs. <img src='http://www.toprankblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Alec Bobdon</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2008/04/seo-outsourcing/#comment-391535</link>
		<dc:creator>Alec Bobdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 11:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would happily outsource my SEO, but my problem in a language problem. I live in Thailand but my websites are in English, and there are very few SEO companies in Thailand offering SEO services for English language websites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would happily outsource my SEO, but my problem in a language problem. I live in Thailand but my websites are in English, and there are very few SEO companies in Thailand offering SEO services for English language websites.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Abracia</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2008/04/seo-outsourcing/#comment-390156</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Abracia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice post...

       I think it would help a lot..keep up the good work..
 
 great Post!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice post&#8230;</p>
<p>       I think it would help a lot..keep up the good work..</p>
<p> great Post!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Malte Landwehr</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2008/04/seo-outsourcing/#comment-384080</link>
		<dc:creator>Malte Landwehr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 05:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that you should always try to learn the things you don&#039;t know yet but if the order books are full and your sub-agency does a good job, why bother with learning from them. They probably won&#039;t tell you their &quot;secrets&quot; anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that you should always try to learn the things you don&#8217;t know yet but if the order books are full and your sub-agency does a good job, why bother with learning from them. They probably won&#8217;t tell you their &#8220;secrets&#8221; anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunday SEO / Search Supplemental Week 14 &#171; SEO Company &#124; North South Media</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2008/04/seo-outsourcing/#comment-383213</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunday SEO / Search Supplemental Week 14 &#171; SEO Company &#124; North South Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 09:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Odden asks the question “Is your SEO firm outsourcing your work?” and I can state that all North South Media&#8217;s work is done in-house. Over at cre8pc they [...]</description>
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		<title>By: christoph</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2008/04/seo-outsourcing/#comment-382003</link>
		<dc:creator>christoph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 22:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also think that this shouldn&#039;t be a big problem. Outsourcing is definitely not the answer to every problem but in this case it might be efficient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also think that this shouldn&#8217;t be a big problem. Outsourcing is definitely not the answer to every problem but in this case it might be efficient.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2008/04/seo-outsourcing/#comment-381928</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 20:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a really interesting discussion that I personally think challenges many small SEO/SEM firms out there, even if they won&#039;t admit it.  There are so many value added services out there that enhance an online marketing strategy that it gets incredibly difficult to bring all of those resources in-house at a rate that will still be profitable (for the small consulting business).  

Outsourcing various specialties/components of an online marketing campaign seems to be the way to go, but in doing so, I find the struggle is getting the right partners whom will work effectively with your shop and setting up the right project management to keep communication between effective.

From the client side, I think it makes sense that the client has an understanding of what is and is not being outsourced or when a specialist is being brought in for a given task or project component.  In my experience, if we&#039;ve succeeded at creating a successful relationship with the client, it&#039;s more likely that this type of thins can be worked into a project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a really interesting discussion that I personally think challenges many small SEO/SEM firms out there, even if they won&#8217;t admit it.  There are so many value added services out there that enhance an online marketing strategy that it gets incredibly difficult to bring all of those resources in-house at a rate that will still be profitable (for the small consulting business).  </p>
<p>Outsourcing various specialties/components of an online marketing campaign seems to be the way to go, but in doing so, I find the struggle is getting the right partners whom will work effectively with your shop and setting up the right project management to keep communication between effective.</p>
<p>From the client side, I think it makes sense that the client has an understanding of what is and is not being outsourced or when a specialist is being brought in for a given task or project component.  In my experience, if we&#8217;ve succeeded at creating a successful relationship with the client, it&#8217;s more likely that this type of thins can be worked into a project.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Riveong</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2008/04/seo-outsourcing/#comment-381927</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Riveong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 20:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, many big name agencies outsource part of their work to contractors to partnering agency, even going to so far as issuing them emails, business cards and the link to make it seem like to the client that they aren&#039;t contractors. Right or wrong, this is an all too common practice.

For SEO, I think we need to understand a few things:

1. SEO and Project Management
SEO is increasingly a project management type job - coordinating resources, departments and assembling multi-disciplinary teams. Outsourcing cant replace that aspect of SEO.

2. Understanding Client Values
With SEO touching on many areas, there can be issues in outsourcing keyword research or copywritting when sensitive issues like branding are at stake. It&#039;s difficult for an Agency to tell an outsourcing what the client had in mind in balancing say SEO v. Branding for their webpage titles.

3. SEO and Scale: Where is it?
The above said, SEO is probably the leasts scalable online marketing strategy. It takes tons of effort and coordination. With that said, having a reliable keyword researcher, SEO auditor, and analytics reporting is something that can outsourced fairly well. 

But the SEO manager still needs to be very hands on and double check work thoroughly (yes, canceling out some of the efficiency of scale, I know).

And the process for doing link building, keyword research etc needs to be understood by the Agency before hand. Process, Tactics and Quality Control are paramount in SEO, since each Agency has its own style and method.

Agencies who outsource their SEO with a carte blanche to their outsourcer are putting their clients and themselves at risk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, many big name agencies outsource part of their work to contractors to partnering agency, even going to so far as issuing them emails, business cards and the link to make it seem like to the client that they aren&#8217;t contractors. Right or wrong, this is an all too common practice.</p>
<p>For SEO, I think we need to understand a few things:</p>
<p>1. SEO and Project Management<br />
SEO is increasingly a project management type job &#8211; coordinating resources, departments and assembling multi-disciplinary teams. Outsourcing cant replace that aspect of SEO.</p>
<p>2. Understanding Client Values<br />
With SEO touching on many areas, there can be issues in outsourcing keyword research or copywritting when sensitive issues like branding are at stake. It&#8217;s difficult for an Agency to tell an outsourcing what the client had in mind in balancing say SEO v. Branding for their webpage titles.</p>
<p>3. SEO and Scale: Where is it?<br />
The above said, SEO is probably the leasts scalable online marketing strategy. It takes tons of effort and coordination. With that said, having a reliable keyword researcher, SEO auditor, and analytics reporting is something that can outsourced fairly well. </p>
<p>But the SEO manager still needs to be very hands on and double check work thoroughly (yes, canceling out some of the efficiency of scale, I know).</p>
<p>And the process for doing link building, keyword research etc needs to be understood by the Agency before hand. Process, Tactics and Quality Control are paramount in SEO, since each Agency has its own style and method.</p>
<p>Agencies who outsource their SEO with a carte blanche to their outsourcer are putting their clients and themselves at risk.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Odden</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2008/04/seo-outsourcing/#comment-381884</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Odden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 20:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate all the feedback here. It&#039;s amazing to me that the posts that seem to get the most comments are those random thoughts in my head bouncing around until they finally get out. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate all the feedback here. It&#8217;s amazing to me that the posts that seem to get the most comments are those random thoughts in my head bouncing around until they finally get out. <img src='http://www.toprankblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jon Payne (Ephricon)</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2008/04/seo-outsourcing/#comment-381879</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Payne (Ephricon)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 20:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been on both sides here - have outsourced some work and we currently do some work outsourced to us by other firms.

Both are tough.  Tougher than working direct with clients (that accounts for most of our best).  When hiring someone that I would outsource work to, I find I spend almost as much (or more) time communicating with them than I save.  Not really worth it.  Only way around that is to give them little direction and input, and that&#039;s probably not a great idea either.

When being the shop that is doing the work through another firm, it adds another layer in the communication.  Makes every small item that much more time-consuming and each revision now has to go through more layers of approval.

If you can&#039;t tell, I&#039;m a bit down on the SEO outsourcing note right now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been on both sides here &#8211; have outsourced some work and we currently do some work outsourced to us by other firms.</p>
<p>Both are tough.  Tougher than working direct with clients (that accounts for most of our best).  When hiring someone that I would outsource work to, I find I spend almost as much (or more) time communicating with them than I save.  Not really worth it.  Only way around that is to give them little direction and input, and that&#8217;s probably not a great idea either.</p>
<p>When being the shop that is doing the work through another firm, it adds another layer in the communication.  Makes every small item that much more time-consuming and each revision now has to go through more layers of approval.</p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t tell, I&#8217;m a bit down on the SEO outsourcing note right now!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Beckman</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2008/04/seo-outsourcing/#comment-381711</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Beckman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 16:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as the company who is manging the SEO efforts has access to Web Analytics to view Organic traffic flow, and PPC keyword conversion metrics they can get the job done.  They do need to be intimately involved with the business as whole too, so link building decisions from the outsourced company will become much more strategic and effective. 

Andrew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as the company who is manging the SEO efforts has access to Web Analytics to view Organic traffic flow, and PPC keyword conversion metrics they can get the job done.  They do need to be intimately involved with the business as whole too, so link building decisions from the outsourced company will become much more strategic and effective. </p>
<p>Andrew</p>
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		<title>By: Reginald</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2008/04/seo-outsourcing/#comment-381670</link>
		<dc:creator>Reginald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 16:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not sure that I perceive outsourcing as a negative strategy.  If a company has a project which reveals the need for technical skills outside of the company&#039;s capabilities, the utilization of outsourcing will certainly ensure, at a minimum, that the project is completed by the established deadline.

With regards to quality assurance, this responsibility relies solely with the contracted company, not the business providing the outsourcings services, although that companies reputation could very well be tainted as far as you are concerned.  You may even chose not to utilize their services again.

However, the bottom line still remains that your company will take the fall for an incomplete or below standard project.

So, in my opinion, if a company choses to outsource, it is their best interest to double check the completed project to ensure its quality before delivering it to the paying client.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure that I perceive outsourcing as a negative strategy.  If a company has a project which reveals the need for technical skills outside of the company&#8217;s capabilities, the utilization of outsourcing will certainly ensure, at a minimum, that the project is completed by the established deadline.</p>
<p>With regards to quality assurance, this responsibility relies solely with the contracted company, not the business providing the outsourcings services, although that companies reputation could very well be tainted as far as you are concerned.  You may even chose not to utilize their services again.</p>
<p>However, the bottom line still remains that your company will take the fall for an incomplete or below standard project.</p>
<p>So, in my opinion, if a company choses to outsource, it is their best interest to double check the completed project to ensure its quality before delivering it to the paying client.</p>
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		<title>By: beauty blog</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2008/04/seo-outsourcing/#comment-381565</link>
		<dc:creator>beauty blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about liability?  Wouldn&#039;t you as a company be afraid that there is some sort of liability issue and risk of being sued by outsourcing work that you were commissioned to do?  I would imagine that no where in your contract does it say, &quot;we will be outsourcing the work for someone else to do.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about liability?  Wouldn&#8217;t you as a company be afraid that there is some sort of liability issue and risk of being sued by outsourcing work that you were commissioned to do?  I would imagine that no where in your contract does it say, &#8220;we will be outsourcing the work for someone else to do.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2008/04/seo-outsourcing/#comment-381245</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a trouble. Just do your best and eveything will be ok.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a trouble. Just do your best and eveything will be ok.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason L.</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2008/04/seo-outsourcing/#comment-381237</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see what&#039;s the big deal.  As long as the business loop is intact and all transactions are fluid, there shouldn&#039;t be a problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see what&#8217;s the big deal.  As long as the business loop is intact and all transactions are fluid, there shouldn&#8217;t be a problem.</p>
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		<title>By: The Baldchemist</title>
		<link>http://www.toprankblog.com/2008/04/seo-outsourcing/#comment-381137</link>
		<dc:creator>The Baldchemist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 04:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sought After IT Skills
Sought after skills. taken from www.thebaldchemist.com/articles today. 

Basic programming and technical support work are disappearing to automation and outsourcing. The opportunities will be for those who understand business processes, can design and execute technology plans that create business value and can cultivate relationships both in and outside an organisation.
These hot in demand skills cross traditional boundaries, combine technical know how with a high demand for business and communications savvy.

Most in demand, those who know how to face clients, design advanced and sophisticated applications customized to add business value in a specific Industry or organisation.

More collaboration, interdisciplinary and much broader skills than the code crunching programmers presently in abundance are called for.

The requirement, solid technical competence combined with fabulous business, organisational knowledge as well as outstanding people and communication skills.

What is service you may ask? Well any thing that is economic that cannot be dropped on your foot. More precisely service is the application of skill to solve a particular problem. IT service in particular.

Of course there are those who doubt whether these skills can be taught. That they are the results of years of learning and experience. It remains to be seen.
I hope tis helps with your article Lee. and thanks for your stuff always intersting. The Baldchemist</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sought After IT Skills<br />
Sought after skills. taken from <a href="http://www.thebaldchemist.com/articles" rel="nofollow">http://www.thebaldchemist.com/articles</a> today. </p>
<p>Basic programming and technical support work are disappearing to automation and outsourcing. The opportunities will be for those who understand business processes, can design and execute technology plans that create business value and can cultivate relationships both in and outside an organisation.<br />
These hot in demand skills cross traditional boundaries, combine technical know how with a high demand for business and communications savvy.</p>
<p>Most in demand, those who know how to face clients, design advanced and sophisticated applications customized to add business value in a specific Industry or organisation.</p>
<p>More collaboration, interdisciplinary and much broader skills than the code crunching programmers presently in abundance are called for.</p>
<p>The requirement, solid technical competence combined with fabulous business, organisational knowledge as well as outstanding people and communication skills.</p>
<p>What is service you may ask? Well any thing that is economic that cannot be dropped on your foot. More precisely service is the application of skill to solve a particular problem. IT service in particular.</p>
<p>Of course there are those who doubt whether these skills can be taught. That they are the results of years of learning and experience. It remains to be seen.<br />
I hope tis helps with your article Lee. and thanks for your stuff always intersting. The Baldchemist</p>
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